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Find it here in The Ex-Puritan issue 68!
https://ex-puritan.ca/a-fire-that-knows-both-our-names-a-conversation-with-jeff-vandermeer-by-ben-berman-ghan?fbclid=IwY2xjawJYFqlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXB32r1j4cK7lbJP3rADUlokl54KbParWuQNmDLjDaSg9EOzqK6chEBUZg_aem_bCpAXHr_G6iy_Q-OZYw-WQ
Ben Berman Ghan 